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Veal(e) family from St Just, Cornwall UK

Veal(e) family from St Just, Cornwall UK

Publicado: 1125521684000
Clasificación: Inmigración
Apellidos: Veal, Ellis, Grenfell, Hattam, Lawry, Trembath, Nankervis [Nekervis]
My G Grandmother was an Ann Veal who married a Richard Ellis.
I have just started researching the family using certificates I have.
Regarding Veal with or without an 'e', you have to remember that many people in the 1800s could not read or write, so it was up to the scribe (census or parish records), and how 'broad' their Cornish accents were. I have found some real howlers!
I found a marriage of a Miss VEAL, and her father was a witness and his name was Mr VEALE.
My maiden name was Ellis. My grandfather Ellis was a farmer rather than a miner because his Aunt Maria Veal lost her husband, so the 17 year old nephew 'next door' went over to work on the land. He stayed with her for about 12-15 years before renting a farm for himself. My father took over the farm at 20 when his father died.
I would love to hear from anyone who thinks they have links with either the Ellis family or the Veal family. Christian names were the same generation after generation - Samual, James, Thomas, Richard, Margaret, Elizabeth, & William.

Re: Veal(e) family from St Just, Cornwall UK

Publicado: 1171631302000
Clasificación: Consulta
Apellidos: Thomas, Veal, Nicholas, Bowden, Williams
Wow - someone must have been listening -
I have a line from St Just that dips into the Veals and can find no other information other than what I have been able to find in other websites - heres hoping you can help me:-

Descendants of Mary Nicholas


Generation No. 1

1. MARY3 NICHOLAS (MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) was born 14 Oct 1835 in Saint Just in Penwith Cornwall, England.
THIS IS MY LINE - MARY WAS THE DAUGHTER OF Michael Nicholas - 12 Oct 1798 MARRIED TO Alice Thomas - 02 Nov 1795 ON THE 15 Dec 1821 IN sT jUST IN PENWITH.

Mary married SAMUEL VEAL 01 Aug 1861 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall, son of THOMAS VEAL and ELIZABETH BOWDEN. He was born 16 Jan 1839 in Bosorne, Cornwall, England.

More About SAMUEL VEAL and MARY NICHOLAS:
Marriage: 01 Aug 1861, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall

Children of MARY NICHOLAS and SAMUEL VEAL are:
2. i. THOMAS NICHOLAS4 VEAL, b. 25 Nov 1862, Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall; d. 04 Nov 1925, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall.
ii. MARY ELIZABETH VEALE, b. 26 May 1865, Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall; m. HENRY WILLIAMS, 25 Feb 1882, Pendeen , Cornwall , England; b. 1856, Pendeen, Cornwall.

More About HENRY WILLIAMS and MARY VEALE:
Marriage: 25 Feb 1882, Pendeen , Cornwall , England

iii. JOHN THOMAS NICHOLAS VEAL, b. 20 Feb 1869, Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall.
3. iv. WILLIAM NICHOLAS VEAL, b. 09 Feb 1874, Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall; d. Abt. 1902, South Africa.
v. ALICE MAUD VEAL, b. 09 Apr 1875, Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall; d. 1876, Penzance. Cornwall.


Generation No. 2

2. THOMAS NICHOLAS4 VEAL (MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) was born 25 Nov 1862 in Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall, and died 04 Nov 1925 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall. He married HONOR MARIA UNKNOWN 1882 in St Just, Cornwall.

More About THOMAS VEAL and HONOR UNKNOWN:
Marriage: 1882, St Just, Cornwall

Children of THOMAS VEAL and HONOR UNKNOWN are:
i. MARY5 VEAL, b. 1880.
ii. SAMUEL VEAL, b. 1882.
iii. ALLACE VEAL, b. 1885.
iv. MARY VEAL, b. 1891.
v. THOMAS VEAL, b. 1895.
vi. HENRY H VEAL, b. 1897.


3. WILLIAM NICHOLAS4 VEAL (MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) was born 09 Feb 1874 in Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall, and died Abt. 1902 in South Africa. He married GRACE.

Children of WILLIAM VEAL and GRACE are:
i. THOMAS NICHOLAS5 VEAL, b. 1892.
4. ii. WILLIAM NICHOLAS VEAL, b. 1896, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall; d. 12 May 1976, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall.


Generation No. 3

4. WILLIAM NICHOLAS5 VEAL (WILLIAM NICHOLAS4, MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) was born 1896 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall, and died 12 May 1976 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall. He married MARY ELIZABETH NICHOLAS. She was born 1896, and died 28 Apr 1995 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall.

Children of WILLIAM VEAL and MARY NICHOLAS are:
i. UNKNOWN6 VEAL, m. LIVING NOTT.
5. ii. UNKNOWN VEAL.


Generation No. 4

5. UNKNOWN6 VEAL (WILLIAM NICHOLAS5, WILLIAM NICHOLAS4, MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) She married (1) UNKNOWN COUVES. She married (2) LIVING SHERIDAN.

Children of UNKNOWN VEAL and UNKNOWN COUVES are:
6. i. LIVING7 COUVES.
7. ii. LIVING COUVES.


Generation No. 5

6. LIVING7 COUVES (UNKNOWN6 VEAL, WILLIAM NICHOLAS5, WILLIAM NICHOLAS4, MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) She married (1) LIVING RALPH. She married (2) UNKNOWN.

Child of LIVING COUVES and LIVING RALPH is:
i. LIVING8 RALPH.


Child of LIVING COUVES and UNKNOWN is:
ii. LIVING8 COUVES.


7. LIVING7 COUVES (UNKNOWN6 VEAL, WILLIAM NICHOLAS5, WILLIAM NICHOLAS4, MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) She married (1) LIVING COLEMAN. She married (2) LIVING BYRNE.

Children of LIVING COUVES and LIVING COLEMAN are:
i. LIVING8 COLEMAN.
ii. LIVING COLEMAN.


Child of LIVING COUVES and LIVING BYRNE is:
iii. LIVING8 BYRNE.

I have a Veal line for Samuel going back to early 1500's
but have been unable to find or substantiate information as above after 1st generation.

Would appreciate information from anyone out there who can help.

Cheers

Meredith

Re: Veal(e) family from St Just, Cornwall UK

Publicado: 1171843471000
Clasificación: Consulta
Apellidos: Veal, Hocking
Your Thomas Veal marriage you have been looking for is as follows:
Thomas Perkin Veal married Honor Maria Hocking in the Jan_Feb_Mar quarter of 1884. This has come from BMD.
They were not married in St Just Church. Will see if I can find where, but many families had gone over to Methodism and, by then, there were also other churches in the area.
Hope this helps. Here you again.
Regards Primrose

Re: Veal(e) family from St Just, Cornwall UK

Publicado: 1174098533000
Clasificación: Consulta
Apellidos: VEAL/E, NICHOLAS, GRYLLS, THOMAS, NANKERVIS, EDDY
Hello to Prinrosemay

I have been chasing my Thomas History in and around St Just for a while and am not concentrating on the female line.
I wonder if you have any of the following in your records, NOTE my line comes down through Mary Nicholas, daughter of
Michael Nicholas and Alice Thomas - St Just in Penwith.

Any assistance recieved would be greatly appreciated

Descendants of Mary Nicholas


Generation No. 1

1. MARY3 NICHOLAS (MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) was born 14 Oct 1835 in Saint Just in Penwith Cornwall, England. She married SAMUEL VEAL 01 Aug 1861 in , St Just in Penwith, Cornwall, son of THOMAS VEAL and ELIZABETH BOWDEN. He was born 16 Jan 1839 in Bosorne, Cornwall, England.

Children of MARY NICHOLAS and SAMUEL VEAL are:
2. i. THOMAS NICHOLAS4 VEAL, b. 25 Nov 1862, Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall; d. 04 Nov 1925, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall.
ii. MARY ELIZABETH VEALE, b. 26 May 1865, Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall; m. HENRY WILLIAMS, 25 Feb 1882, Pendeen , Cornwall , England; b. 1856, Pendeen, Cornwall.
iii. JOHN THOMAS NICHOLAS VEAL, b. 20 Feb 1869, Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall.
3. iv. WILLIAM NICHOLAS VEAL, b. 09 Feb 1874, Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall; d. Abt. 1902, South Africa.
v. ALICE MAUD VEAL, b. 09 Apr 1875, Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall; d. 1876, Penzance. Cornwall.


Generation No. 2

2. THOMAS NICHOLAS4 VEAL (MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) was born 25 Nov 1862 in Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall, and died 04 Nov 1925 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall. He married HONOR MARIA UNKNOWN 1882 in St Just, Cornwall.

Children of THOMAS VEAL and HONOR UNKNOWN are:
i. MARY5 VEAL, b. 1880.
ii. SAMUEL VEAL, b. 1882.
iii. ALLACE VEAL, b. 1885.
iv. MARY VEAL, b. 1891.
v. THOMAS VEAL, b. 1895.
vi. HENRY H VEAL, b. 1897.


3. WILLIAM NICHOLAS4 VEAL (MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) was born 09 Feb 1874 in Botallack, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall, and died Abt. 1902 in South Africa. He married GRACE.

Children of WILLIAM VEAL and GRACE are:
i. THOMAS NICHOLAS5 VEAL, b. 1892.
4. ii. WILLIAM NICHOLAS VEAL, b. 1896, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall; d. 12 May 1976, St Just in Penwith, Cornwall.


Generation No. 3

4. WILLIAM NICHOLAS5 VEAL (WILLIAM NICHOLAS4, MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) was born 1896 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall, and died 12 May 1976 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall. He married MARY ELIZABETH NICHOLAS. She was born 1896, and died 28 Apr 1995 in St Just in Penwith, Cornwall.

Children of WILLIAM VEAL and MARY NICHOLAS are:
i. WILLIAM NICHOLAS6 VEAL, m. EILEEN MARION NOTT.
5. ii. DEANNE ELIZA MOLRTON VEAL.


Generation No. 4

5. DEANNE ELIZA MOLRTON6 VEAL (WILLIAM NICHOLAS5, WILLIAM NICHOLAS4, MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) She married (1) COLIN COUVES. She married (2) LIVING SHERIDAN.

Children of DEANNE VEAL and COLIN COUVES are:
6. i. LIVING7 COUVES.
7. ii. LIVING COUVES.


Generation No. 5

6. LIVING7 COUVES (DEANNE ELIZA MOLRTON6 VEAL, WILLIAM NICHOLAS5, WILLIAM NICHOLAS4, MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) She married (1) LIVING RALPH. She married (2) UNKNOWN.

Child of LIVING COUVES and LIVING RALPH is:
i. LIVING8 RALPH.


Child of LIVING COUVES and UNKNOWN is:
ii. LIVING8 COUVES.


7. LIVING7 COUVES (DEANNE ELIZA MOLRTON6 VEAL, WILLIAM NICHOLAS5, WILLIAM NICHOLAS4, MARY3 NICHOLAS, MICHAEL2, WILLIAM1) She married (1) LIVING COLEMAN. She married (2) LIVING BYRNE.

Children of LIVING COUVES and LIVING COLEMAN are:
i. LIVING8 COLEMAN.
ii. LIVING COLEMAN.


Child of LIVING COUVES and LIVING BYRNE is:
iii. LIVING8 BYRNE.


Cheers, Meredith

Re: Veal(e) family from St Just, Cornwall UK

Publicado: 1182499428000
Clasificación: Consulta
Apellidos: Veal, Hocking
My Grandmother was Mary Hocking Veale Thomas b.1869, My great Grandmother was Eliza Veale b.1843, Eliza's Father was John Veale b.1796 Eliza's Mother was Margery Hocking b.1802. John Veale's Father was Thomas Veale b.1761 he was marriwd to a Mary Eddy date of birth unknown. I wonder if anybody has any information about another relative called Mary Grenfell Veale b.1814, Mary died d.1846 age 32 she was married to Pascoe Harvey Hocking, Mary had five children but one of them called Peggy aged 1 year died on the day that Mary died. Has anyone any information of how they died. All the family lived in St Just Cornwall.the researches give Mary's death at 6 June 1836 but I have seen her head stone in St Just and it reads 6 June 1846.
I would be very interested to receive reply.
Margaret

Re: Veal(e) family from St Just, Cornwall UK

Publicado: 1183327676000
Clasificación: Consulta
Apellidos: Veal, Ellis, Veale, Grenfell, Casley, Olds, Hocking
Hi Margaret
Sorting out the Veals, Veales & Hockings in St Just is not easy, but I have a few 'positive sightings'. We have a common couple - William Veale & Ann Grenfell. Both these families lived at Carrallack & Kelynack area, all to the south of St Just. They are hamlets still, & I was born in the next valley south of this one.
Let's go!
William & Ann Grenfell M: 29 Nov 1789 at St Just.
Their children & baptismal dates were:
John Veale: 08 July 1790
Ann[e?] Veale: 15 July 1792
William Veale: 09 Feb 1794
Samuel Veale: 31 Oct 1799
Mary Grenfell Veale: 10 Jul 1803:you were looking for her.
Thomas Veale: 05 Nov 1804
Richard Veale: 30 Oct 1808 My GG-gf.{date as Family Bible}
Nicholas Veale: 03 Nov 1811
I am unsure whether this John Veale is yours due to the difference in DoBs. They all definitely lived in the same area. This might not be your John Veale, but you now know where Mary Grenfell Veale came from.
A John Veale{dob about 1796} married Margery Hocking & lived at Dowran. They married 15 Dec 1821 & their children were{all years of birth are approximated}:
Thomas Veale: 1826
Elizabeth Veale: 1826;M:Peter Merrifield 03 Nov 1850;
William Veale:1827;M: Mary Hocking 16 Sep 1851;
Samuel Veale: 1833
Nicholas Veale:1834; M:Elizabeth Thomas 20 Dec 1856;
John Veale: M Eliza xxx abt 1860;
Pascoe Hocking Veale: 1842;
Eliza Veale: 1843; M:John Thomas 03 Aug 1865;
Jane Veale: 1847; M: Richard Berryman Penrose 07 Jul 1867;
You say John Veale's father was Thomas Veale which leads me to think that your John came from another Veale family, & I can give you a little help there.
Thomas Veale M: Mary Eddy 31 Oct 1787 & had a son who is recorded to have been baptised 07 Jun 1795.
You said you had a problem finding Mary Eddy. She was a widow.She was Mary Bosence married William Eddy 31 Oct 1780. Source from St Just Parish Records.
2 William Eddys died just after that date & I am not sure which is which. Dates are 1:12 Nov 1780 which means they were only married 2 weeks. No.2: 31 Oct 1782.
There are 2 children which could be theirs if he died 1782.
There are 3 possible baptismal dates for Mary Bosence, but none are from St Just. They are:
1:18 Sep 1757; F=William; M=Anne of Sancreed
2:04 Mar 1763; F=John; M=Anne of Sancreed
3:28 Dec 1757; F=Uter; M=Elizabeth of St Buryan;
they would have been 23, 17 & 23 years of age at first marriage, & 30, 27 & 30 at 2nd marriage.
I hope this will be of use to you & give you something to mull over!
Come back if you wish to!!
Regards Primrose

Re: Veal(e) family from St Just, Cornwall UK

Publicado: 1183328862000
Clasificación: Consulta
Hi Meredith
Just to say that I have done some work on the Thomas family.
I'll get it out & get back to you with my info. Sorry have not been back before but have not been well.
Several members of my Ellis-es & Veales have married Thomas-es.
Nancy Ann Thomas married Richard Veale June 1830 & went on to have 15 children!
Regards Primrose

Re: Veal(e) family from St Just, Cornwall UK

Publicado: 1183565667000
Clasificación: Consulta
Apellidos: Veale, Hocking
Hi Primrose,
Many thanks for the information all very interesting.

John Veale and Margery Hocking are on my family tree in fact Margery Hocking was my G/G/Grandmother.

Margery's Father was William Hocking no birth date and Margery's Mother was Ann Harvey b.1767.

Thanks again Margaret

Re: Veal(e) family from St Just, Cornwall UK

Publicado: 1185369871000
Clasificación: Consulta
Hi Primrose,
saw a message that you sent to Meredith, re-: Thomas family. I am looking for any information about John Thomas born 1843 in St Just Cornwall,
His Mother was Peggy Nicholls born 1806 his Father was Joseph Thomas or John Thomas born 1815.
John Thomas was married to Eliza Veale there daughter was Mary Hocking Veal Thomas, Mary married a John Gibson Atkinson.
Hope you are feeling better. Margaret

Re: Veal(e) family from St Just, Cornwall UK

Publicado: 1185377412000
Clasificación: Consulta
Hi Margaret
A Joseph Thomas Married a Peggy Nicholas 04 Jul 1835 @ St Just in Penwith. Witnesses were William Thomas & John Tregear. However, I've found Nicholls, Nickles, Nicholas & Nickless used for the same family, so the difference in your info & mine may just be a case of transcription.
A Thomas Veal married an Eliza Thomas 22 Dec 1849 @ St Just.
Can I come back to you again [soon] when I dig out my Thomas stuff. I have records for nearly 1000 of them in St Just!
Bye for now, best wishes Primrose
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